When two philanthropists working towards education get together on a podcast, one can expect the conversation to focus on kids and getting them to school. When those philanthropists just happen to be musician and educationalist Shehzad Roy sitting across from Nobel laureate Malala Yousafzai, there’s going to be a lot more to talk about.

The singer invited her to the inaugural episode of his new podcast and the tough questions began flying almost instantly. The first question, of course, was on Yousafzai being a ‘foreign agent’. She said she wasn’t and told Roy dismissing good people as agents was an old habit for some. “We didn’t even spare Abdul Sattar Edhi,” she said

The next question was about how her activism was portraying Pakistan negatively, to which she said her goal was the exact opposite of that. “Wherever I go, I tell people. the terrorists aren’t the true representation of Pakistan. It’s their victims, those who were martyred, who sacrificed themselves, the ones who raise their voice against terrorism, they are the true representation of Pakistan,” she told the singer.

Roy moved the discussion to Pakistan, asking why Yousafzai wasn’t as vocal about issues in her own country as she was about other places. Yousafzai talked about how people leapt at the chance to deride her for being even a second late to talk about something on the internet when her focus was on doing actual work and bringing about tangible change.

“It feels like I am responsible for all the problems and only I can solve them. If I could do it, if I could stop wars, I’d spend every second speaking out and tweeting,” the Nobel laureate said.